Yeah, BD is the same ole, same ole "oldie,"
Now, Seraph, on the other hand, seems to think she's "helping" the poor innocent people that are being ripped off: (Sorry for the "book," but......)
GPTBoycott claims to be a place to go for information on programs in the GPT Industry, right?
It's supposedly where one can find reliable references on what to do if they are cheated out of payment by a program.
In reference to such, in the GPTBoycott thread about PayCage, here's a suggestion from Seraph:
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Not a clue, but I did give a few suggestions on steps people could take in one of the other threads. To quickly recap...
1. Contact your state's attorney general
2. File a complaint at ic3.gov
3. If it comes down to it, file in small claims court.
Yeah, right, #1, contact your state's attorney general to file a complaint against a program that failed to pay a $14 payout, lol. Ditto on #3. It would cost more to process a small claims charge than what you are filing a claim for.
Now, I DID focuss on #2 listed as I didn't know about ic3.gov.
What I DO know now, is that I can't find the "domain" owner for the site. (Maybe someone else can? Whois doesn't "do" dot gov sites)
Anyway, here's what I DID find:
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The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).
IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 gives the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism that alerts authorities of suspected criminal or civil violations. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies at the federal, state, local and international level, IC3 provides a central referral mechanism for complaints involving Internet related crimes.
Sounds convincing that it's a partnrnership with our government agencies, huh?
And, yet, if you check further on the site, there's the following disclaimer:
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Links from the IC3 website to other sites, or from other sites to the IC3 home page, do not constitute an endorsement by the FBI or the NW3C. The links are for convenience only. It is the responsibility of the user to evaluate the content and usefulness of information obtained from other sites.
Reference to any specific commercial products, processes, or services by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise does not constitute or imply endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States Government.
Here's another
LinkI'll not list what you will see in the link above, but, for clarification, there's nothing there that is referenced to getting gyped by a PTR program, lol. In fact, the CLOSEST thing to is is "Ponzi/Pyramid"s and Spam - but, again, not at all what PTR is.
Now, here's what they link to that I guess Seraph thinks applies to reporting PayCage?
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The FBI's cyber mission is four-fold: first and foremost, to stop those behind the most serious computer intrusions and the spread of malicious code; second, to identify and thwart online sexual predators who use the Internet to meet and exploit children and to produce, possess, or share child pornography; third, to counteract operations that target U.S. intellectual property, endangering our national security and competitiveness; and fourth, to dismantle national and transnational organized criminal enterprises engaging in Internet fraud. Pursuant to the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace signed by the President, the Department of Justice and the FBI lead the national effort to investigate and prosecute cybercrime.
Hmmmmmmmm, now, where does that apply to PTR?
Ok, now, here's the mission of nw3c, which is another place ic3 links to:
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The mission of NW3C is to provide a nationwide support system for agencies involved in the prevention, investigation, and prosecution of economic and high-tech crimes and to support and partner with other appropriate entities in addressing homeland security initiatives, as they relate to economic and high-tech crimes.
We are a congressionally-funded, non-profit corporation whose membership primarily comprises law enforcement agencies, state regulatory bodies with criminal investigative authority, and state and local prosecution offices.
While NW3C has no investigative authority itself, its job is to help law enforcement agencies better understand and utilize tools to combat economic and high-tech crime.
Hmmmmmmm, maybe PayCage is involved in high-tech crime?
And, now, another site ic3 links to is:
LinkAnd, the BJA Mission is:
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BJA supports law enforcement, courts, corrections, treatment, victim services, technology, and prevention initiatives that strengthen the nation’s criminal justice system. BJA provides leadership, services, and funding to America’s communities by:
* Emphasizing local control.
* Building relationships in the field.
* Provide training and technical assistance in support of efforts to prevent crime, drug abuse, and violence at the national, state, and local levels.
* Developing collaborations and partnerships.
* Promoting capacity building through planning.
* Streamlining the administration of grants.
* Increasing training and technical assistance.
* Creating accountability of projects.
* Encouraging innovation.
* Communicating the value of justice efforts to decision makers at every level.
BJA has three primary components: Policy, Programs, and Planning. The Policy Office provides national leadership in criminal justice policy, training, and technical assistance to further the administration of justice. It also acts as a liaison to national organizations that partner with BJA to set policy and help disseminate information on best and promising practices. The Programs Office coordinates and administers all state and local grant programs and acts as BJA's direct line of communication to states, territories, and tribal governments by providing assistance and coordinating resources. The Planning Office coordinates the planning, communications, and budget formulation and execution; provides overall BJA-wide coordination; and supports streamlining efforts.
Ok, here's "my" summery of what I've gathered. Keep in mind this is my opinion, not a statement of fact, although I AM basing my summery on the facts as I saw them.
First of all, I don't see the authenticity with this "Internet Crime Complaint Center (ic3) being in partnership with the FBI,the NW3c OR the BJA. Those are government and / or government related agencies whereas, according to the disclaimer here, ic3 is not a government related agency.
So, how can they be in partnership with them? I may be wrong, but, I just don't see a verified connection. Even IF those agencies DO take heed to what ic3 hands them, who's to say it's all legit when we can't even decipher who owns the site?
Second, after reading the information in all three sites referred to by ic3 I see nothing where these agencies have anything that pertains to "crimes" involving the GPT Industry, as in PTR sites, search sites or PTP sites.
Third, what I DO see is seraph misguided attempt to help readers to belive something that isn't.
How can a state's attorney general take such a case? Is the crime being committed in his jurisdiction? Is there enough evidence to prove "fraud?" I mean, how can one prove someone INTENDED to commit fraud?
How can you take a case to small claims court unless the site owner is within THAT jurisdiction? So,in all reality, nothing can be done. Or CAN it?
What I am getting at here is that not only seraph, but, GPTBoycott is doing nothing but making mountains out of a mole hills - and, for what? Well, for Rob it's for money. For seraph? Well, maybe she's been misguided by GPTBoycott, too, and thinks not getting paid by a site is a major crime. (Take note I said "major" - not minor - even though it's a crime to mislead it's the financial basis to which it is major or minor.)
Don't get me wrong. I DO think it's wrong for a site owner not to keep his / her promise to pay when you reach payout. But, when you look at the GPT Industry for what it really is, it's just dabbling in something to see where it will go. And, that's what site owners usually do. If it works, they pay. If it doesn't, they can't.
I honestly do NOT believe most of these GPT site owners are out to rip anyone off.
(Take note that I said "most." There ARE a few that DO it to rip people off.)
But, GPT (PTR) is what it is. If it works, fine. If not, well, no use making a mountain out of a mole hill is there?
It can ALL REALLY be PREVENTED, don't you know?
Just READ thoroughly and use common sense. And, just DON'T sign up for any site that you feel skeptical about!
Now, IF everyone would truly READ thoroughly and USE common sense, who would join these scam sites but those who don't read thoroughly or use common sense? And, guess what, folks! If a site doesn't get members how can they survive?
The ONLY reason those sites DO survive is because there are people in the Industry who don't read thoroughly and don't use common sense. But, once they realize they won't get paid, well, lol, lesson learned?
And, one may think this is ironic of me to say, but, it's the PUBLICITY that attracts - even BAD Publicity.
So, even though the "goal" for GTPBoycott is to put these "bad" GPT programs to shame and attempt to lead others not to do business with them, well, it just may LEAD people to find out for themselves. To DO that they will JOIN the site complained about, and the site gets more traffic and more members.
The best thing to do is to avoid any misleading sites by word of mouth in private, as that is more apt to be believed than going public with the issues - or in site forums - not those that are public and "need" funding that they get from other GPT programs or affiliations with search engine affiliations.
Any free public "service" should BE just that - and NOT BE USED in a fraudulent way to obtain profits!
And, that, folks is EXACTLY what GPTBoycott DOES!
They CLAIM their main concern is to fight against fraud, and yet, here they are USING that claim to COMMIT FRAUD FOR PROFITS!
Not there's nothing wrong with making profits, but, USING a method that puts GPT Sites AGAINST one other or highlighting a site for boycotting that may or may not be fraud is wrong.
When you can't decipher whether a complaint is legit or not, and you accept anonymous complaints, and impliment more "just cause" reasons as you go, what's that TELL you?
Are they DOING anything about that to, perhaps, improve their credibility? NO!
Why?
Think about it.
Because, by doing so they would LOSE even MORE traffic than they are losing now. Especially now that more people are "on" to the REAL purpose behind GPTBoycott!
Waving right back at ya BD, but, you could have had a V8 
instead egg on your face 
Nah, you one of the regular players, you slide by, no sweat 
Why do you feel the need to defend your avatar? Guilty as charged? 
that is what we been saying, show the proof not just lies and accusations all the while the regular players attack those who stand up for a site
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